John’s achievement is that he held things together for as long as he did. Indeed, King Stephen was seen as weak for refusing to hang the son of Marshal when the latter broke the terms of an agreement with the king. John certainly persecuted the church with a particular fury after his row with the pope over the appointment of a new archbishop of Canterbury. When the king captured his nephew in 1202, he also took prisoner hundreds of other knights, who expected to be held in honourable confinement. You can unsubscribe at any time. If John was indeed a “smutty minded groper” (CJ Tyerman), he remained a rake rather than a rogue. John is often viewed as having been a cruel King and this is supported with evidence from a recent history book which says “John was a thoroughly bad lot. Was 'Bad King John', as he has been famously nicknamed, really as 'bad' as history has made him out to be? Thus, we see him, for example, razing the walls and castle of Le Mans in 1200, assaulting the forces besieging Mirebeau in 1202 (having covered a distance of 80 miles in 48 hours), marching upon Montauban in 1206 and pressing the siege of Rochester castle in 1215 – an event that the leading authority of castles and castle warfare in this period considers was “the greatest operation in England up to that time” (RA Brown). John, John, bad King John Shamed the throne that he sat on; Not a scruple, not a straw, Cared this monarch for the law; Promises he daily broke; None could trust a word he spoke; So the Barons brought a Deed; Down to rushy Runnymede, Magna Carta was it hight, Charter of the People’s Right, Framed and fashioned to correct John was also an effective strategist. Some kings were extremely pious in their own devotions, such as the French king Louis IX. He drove the monks of Canterbury into exile and eventually seized the lands of all the English clergy – moves that led to England being laid under interdict and the king himself being excommunicated. What was true of the Wars of the Roses, however, was not true of the 12th and 13th centuries, when stricter rules about combat and treatment of prisoners held sway. You have successfully linked your account! Popular representations of events at Runnymede in June 1215 would also have us believe that leading rebel barons such as Eustace de Vesci and Robert Fitzwalter were revered freedom fighters. Magna Carta, we are told, stands for the rule of law. On top of all this there was the generally extortionate nature of his regime, with huge taxes and arbitrary fines, resulting in what is reckoned to have been the greatest level of financial exploitation in England since the Norman conquest. He is the author of King John: An Underrated King (Anthem Press, 2012). John did indeed overturn Magna Carta, but arguably any medieval monarch would have done the same. You're now subscribed to our newsletter. The official website for BBC History Magazine, BBC History Revealed and BBC World Histories Magazine, Save 50% on a BBC History Magazine or BBC History Revealed subscription. John's reign has been viewed in very different ways by historians. Popular understanding of Magna Carta has significantly stunted debate on the nature and achievement of John. Plenty of laymen put pen to parchment during the Middle Ages, and John’s reign is no exception. “In his inner soul John was the worst outcome of the Angevins. Using youtube clip, pupils then decide whether the Disney film portrays John as good or bad. We should not mistake John’s military caution for cowardice. This was a period when you could be blinded, castrated or even killed by the king’s officials for taking a deer in the royal forest. Historians quite rightly set out to challenge legends and dispel myths, but in this case the myth is a modern one. Nor is it true that John antagonized elements of the baronage because he was lacking in martial prowess, or that the king was ‘Softsword’, as the chroniclers assert. This, he claims, is partly evidenced by the fact that the government sponsored the Magna Carta 800th anniversary website, which currently asserts that Magna Carta “is the foundation stone supporting the freedoms enjoyed today by hundreds of millions of people in more than 100 countries”. His reign was not the most righteous reign, as many citizens thought that he was a disbeliever, then other people thought he was a wasted more money than ever before. Indeed, William the Conqueror’s loyalty to his wife, Matilda, was the subject of perplexed comment. King John was not a good man, He had his little ways. Nobles were killed in great numbers in Anglo-Saxon England and again in the later Middle Ages, but between 1076 and 1306 not one English earl was executed. Others argued that John had acted with justification, noting that Arthur was taken while in armed rebellion against his uncle. Arthur’s fate was made famous by Shakespeare, who has him threatened with blinding but killed by accident, falling from his prison window as he tries to escape. John was very active in hearing court cases, but his motivation was the money he could raise by imposing punitive fines. If you subscribe to BBC History Magazine Print or Digital Editions then you can unlock 10 years’ worth of archived history material fully searchable by Topic, Location, Period and Person. The evidence does not permit John to be charged definitively with killing his nephew, Arthur, but the king nevertheless had arguably legitimate reasons to undertake such an act since Arthur (a 16-year-old boy) had put himself at the head of a rebellion sponsored by Philip Augustus. By entering your details, you are agreeing to HistoryExtra terms and conditions and privacy policy. King John - Good or Bad? As a starter, pupils draw a spider diagram listing the qualities they think a good king has. I mean, come on, he’s “Bad” King John, right? Bad/Good/Important? An extract from ‘A history of England’ written by C.R.L Fletcher and Rudyard Kipling in 1911 quotes that “John began a quarrel with the English church and the pope. Medieval kings were expected to be pious, and they could demonstrate this in a variety of ways — by distributing alms to the poor, for example, or building a new church. Anyone who has read their Shakespeare knows that medieval kings and nobles were forever murdering and maiming each other, either on the field of battle or more discreetly in darkened castle chambers. No medieval monarch could have accepted for any length of time the Magna Carta of 1215, for it clearly rendered the king a phantom of a monarch. John, byname John Lackland, French Jean sans Terre, (born c. 1166—died October 18/19, 1216, Newark, Nottinghamshire, England), king of England from 1199 to 1216. Please enter your number below. By entering your details, you are agreeing to HistoryExtra terms and conditions and privacy policy. Thanks! He returned to the continent in 1206 and 1214 to try to regain lost ground, but on each occasion withdrew rapidly when told that his enemies were approaching. Cruelty and cowardice were two of John’s most notable faults, but he had plenty of others besides. Discuss with reference to other Angevin kings. The Magna Carta of 1215 (it is important to realise that there were many reissues of Magna Carta after the reign of John, each different to the one presented to John) is better understood as a set of flawed peace terms designed to heal the incipient civil war between John and an element of rebellious barons. Here, writing for History Extra, author Graham E Seel considers John's governance, and asks whether it is time to change our opinions of him. His reluctance to commit to pitched battles was entirely conventional in an age when all leaders preferred to avoid them – John’s arch-enemy, Philip Augustus, King of France (r1180–1223) shied away from a setpiece battle at least as frequently as his protagonist. Played as a sulky, useless, entitled millennial by Oscar Isaacs in Ridley Scott’s pretentious snoozefest Robin Hood. 1 King John. In a war with the French king Philip II, he lost Normandy and almost all his other possessions in France.In England, after a revolt of the barons, he was forced to seal the Magna Carta (1215). Medieval monarchs were expected to be fierce, and John fulfilled those expectations. He was considered a weak king who was managed by others like the barons and the Pope. As for Matilda Fitzwalter of Diss, she may have been propositioned by King John but at least she was not poisoned by him. Another of John’s major failings was cowardice. And men who came across him, When walking in the town, Gave him a supercilious stare, Or passed with noses in the air— And bad King John stood dumbly there, Blushing beneath his crown. Click here to listen to our King John podcast, Save a huge 50% off a subscription to your favourite history magazine. I think that John must have been a bad king. King John was the reigning king from 1189-1199. Yet when their friends and families in Anjou and Brittany continued to fight against him, John rounded up 22 of these knightly captives and sent them to Corfe Castle in Dorset, where they were starved to death. “He was a very bad man,” says the Anonymous, “more cruel than all others. Yet, I argue, he was not “less than successful”. Bertran de Born, the troubadour poet mentioned above, was a member of the lay aristocracy of southern France. King John was not a good man— He had his little ways. Small wonder that when he died in 1216, some chroniclers imagined him suffering the torments of hell. He lost a war to the French,in doing so losing territories in Normandy,Anjou,Poitou,Maine and Touraine . This apparently incontestable evidence shows John to have been possessed of vigour and vim, constantly on the move enforcing Angevin aspirations. Robin Hood is an animated film produced by the Walt Disney Studios, first released in the United States on November 8, 1973. John, by contrast, killed people in this way en masse, and on more than one occasion. Similarly, it is not proven that John starved Matilda de Braose and her son to death in Corfe Castle, but if he did so it was because of her refusal to offer her sons as hostages in order to trim the rebellious behaviour of their father. Thank you for subscribing to HistoryExtra, you now have unlimited access. My main reason for saying this is that it seems that his subjects never really supported him. Make a list of all the words which describe what kind of person John was. The official website for BBC History Magazine, BBC History Revealed and BBC World Histories Magazine, Save 50% on a BBC History Magazine or BBC History Revealed subscription, Was 'Bad King John', as he has been famously nicknamed, really as 'bad' as history has made him out to be? Instead, the anticipated tsunami of popular and learned articles collectively assert, inter alia, that John was at once cruel and coercive, treacherous and tyrannical, pusillanimous and pitiful, lazy and lackluster. In 1210 he committed one of the most notorious acts of his reign by starving to death the wife and son of his former friend, William de Briouze. If you subscribe to BBC History Magazine Print or Digital Editions then you can unlock 10 years’ worth of archived history material fully searchable by Topic, Location, Period and Person. The clergy certainly had good reason to hate him. He was a good King because he was very hardworking! What of John’s father, Henry II who, having taken 22 hostages from the Welsh in 1165, ordered that the males among them – some of them sons of princes – be blinded and castrated, and that the females should have their noses and ears cut off? Famously, he arranged the ‘disappearance’ of his nephew and rival, Arthur of Brittany, who contested the king’s claim to his inheritance until John captured him in 1202. Dan Jones is the author of Magna Carta: The Making and Legacy of the Great Charter , published by Head of Zeus and available to buy from Amazon and all good book shops. Some claim that he was a very poor king who made many mistakes and left the country very weak. King John is often referred to as a bad king these days and there is a lot of evidence both modern and written by sources in King John’s time. Bad things: Bad Warrior Lost most battles Went back on what he said Tried to exert power over the church Gave the poor a hard time Good things: Determinded man First king to keep proper records Tried to make barons obey the king the Magna Carta Summing up: So At the same time, most people are aware that these tales are legendary, and, in their earliest versions, make no mention of John at all. John was born on 24 December 1166. You're now subscribed to our newsletter. Yet hostage taking was part-and-parcel of medieval government, and as such it follows that they sometimes paid the ultimate price. King John was not a good man --He had his little ways. The Barnwell annalist, Walter Of Coventry, concluded that John “was indeed a great prince but less than successful [and that]…he met with both kinds of luck”. His father, Henry II of England, had inherited significant territories along the Atlantic seaboard – Anjou, Normandy and England – and expanded his empire by conquering Brittany. His plan to relieve the siege of Chateau-Gaillard in 1203 by arranging a simultaneous assault from land and amphibious forces has been described as “a masterpiece of ingenuity”by K Norgate. Most kings were capable of behaving badly from time to time. Somewhere near here in 1216, ‘Bad King John’ – a monarch so incompetent and evil that his name is still preserved in folklore, films and nursery rhymes – was running from his enemies. Nor was King Harold, but he at least engaged his enemies when they landed on the shores of England and went down fighting alongside his men. Sadly, John rarely managed to meet them…. Bad King John? Please enter your number below. Medieval kings were expected to be able to protect and defend their subjects from attack and to lead from the front. Here, writing for History Extra, author Graham E Seel considers John's governance, and asks whether it is time to change our opinions of him June 17, 2018 at 8:00 am Whenever he could he told lies rather than the truth… He was brim-full of evil qualities.”. This is a typical description of King John from Newnes Pictorial Knowledge – an old children's encyclopaedia written in the 1930s. There seems to be a problem, please try again. On the other hand some people have pointed to the many probems that he faced and claim that he was quite good at coping with these. John was certainly unlucky in that his reign coincided with probably the two most accomplished leaders of the Middle Ages – Philip Augustus and Pope Innocent III (r1198–1216) – and he was certainly unlucky in that the Angevin ‘empire’ he had inherited in 1199 was increasingly ungovernable and assaulted by fissiparous tendencies. People generally regard the Middle Ages as a cruel time, and there is indeed some justification for doing so. In an age when personal bravery mattered, John repeatedly showed his back to the enemy. King John was a well educated King and was effective in ruling the country. There seems to be a problem, please try again. During John’s reign the finger of suspicion was pointed more firmly at the king himself, with some contemporaries alleging that he murdered his nephew with his own hand. One might have hoped that the 800th anniversary of the sealing of Magna Carta would have provided at least some oxygen to the argument that ‘Bad King John’ was perhaps not too ‘Bad’ after all; and – whisper it – that in some ways this traditionally most maligned of monarchs was perhaps really rather Good. In fact, he would have been quite good as a King if it weren’t for his poor skills in the battlefield. If John is guilty of cruelty, then what of Richard I in 1191 when, following a dispute about the terms upon which Acre had been surrendered, he ordered the killing of 2,700 Muslim prisoners? Yet marriage at an early age was commonplace at the time – a survey of the marriage arrangements of John’s contemporaries leads to the conclusion that the Angevin king had an eye for an older women! After his death in 1307 Edward I was praised for the quality of his justice, and in his own letters the same king can be seen exhorting his officials to act justly. King John was born in 1167 and died in 1216. “No man may ever trust him,” sang the troubadour Bertran de Born, “for his heart is soft and cowardly.”. King John is famously linked with the Barons War and the subsequent signing of Magna Carta. Modern attempts to rehabilitate him require us to ignore this chorus of disapproval from his contemporaries as well as his own nefarious acts. You can unsubscribe at any time. You have successfully linked your account! And sometimes no one spoke to him For days and days and days. Here’s why…. At Rochester in 1215 he famously forced the surrender of the mighty castle by undermining and partially collapsing its great tower. John was the pathetic, childish, gibbering, thumb-sucking lion brilliantly voiced by … King John was the reigning king from 1189-1199. In the 20th century, some historians put forward a case for King John’s defence, arguing that his badness was largely a later invention, and that his misfortunes as a ruler were mostly down to ill luck. King John is one of the most well-known figures in history because he signed Magna Carta. The real test for a military commander comes when the odds are less than certain. John was not as bad as legend made out – he was worse Those who go in search of the real John therefore tend to suppose that he must have been unfairly maligned, and suspect that in reality he was not nearly as bad as legend maintains. He was a good King because he ensured that even common people got the same respect as others! What of Henry V, who during the battle of Agincourt in 1415 ordered the killing of several thousand French prisoners? Good kings took this responsibility very seriously. During these more chivalrous times, aristocrats did not expect to die in battle, and if they were taken prisoner they expected to be kept in honourable captivity until they could be ransomed. The king was first inserted into the Robin Hood story in the 16th century, but his inclusion has no historical basis whatsoever. Thanks! He was certainly not a milksop like Henry VI or Richard II, averse to armed conflict. Yet nearly all medieval kings took mistresses. Indeed, this tendency has travelled so far that Magna Carta has, according to G Hindley, “acquired an almost mystic incantatory quality”. He visited every part of his Kingdom and made sure that laws were kept properly wherever he went. Bad kings like John were always accused of taking ‘evil counsel’, which meant relying on a clique of advisors. At the time of their coronation, medieval monarchs were required to swear an oath, part of which was a promise to do good justice. King John is often referred to as a bad king these days and there is a lot of evidence both modern and written by sources in King John’s time, to give reason for that name. However, the Magna Carta that John chose to ignore did not purport to be a constitutional document adumbrating and guaranteeing liberties to all English people. This was a risky business. When the king of France invaded Normandy in 1203, John failed to confront him and fled to England, an act of desertion that led directly to the duchy’s loss. King John seems to have been reasonably observant, but his attack on the church led to him being written up as irreligious after his death. John was presented with this kind of situation several times, and each time his decision was the same. King John was very unlucky, he says, but he also made his own bad luck. John’s response in similar circumstances was to run away. 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Some people believed the signing of the great charter was a good thing but freemen and barons still disliked John.John was not a complete bad King, he had some good points as well. Yet even here the overall assessment of the king is damning. You will shortly receive a receipt for your purchase via email. Invoked by those in 17th-century England who sought to thwart the allegedly despotic tendencies of Charles I, and latterly employed by the American Revolutionaries in their making of the United States Bill of Rights in 1789, Magna Carta has become totemic of the liberties by which western societies identify themselves. The Sins of the Sons. He fell out with the Pope,leading to his excommunication,and churches in England and Wales unable to hold church services,the Pope "gave " England to France ,and when the French landed to collect "their " Kingdom,John surrended his kingdom … When the French finally invaded England in the spring of 1216, John watched them disembark on the beaches of Kent, briefly considered fighting them, then rode off in the opposite direction. But the assertion that all medieval chroniclers were churchmen is a fallacy. Maintaining yourself in government involves a simple trick – make sure more people want you to remain in power than want you out. GOOD KING JOHN: He was a good King because he was good when it came to battle! For the large part it seems that, 800 years later, opinion has broadly backed Matthew Paris, the 13th-century chronicler who alleged that John’s greatest achievement was, by dying, to make yet more foul the existing foulness of Hell: John was not only Bad; he was diabolical. The reality is that John was not as bad as legend made out – he was worse. King John - Good or Bad? So fast was his retreat on this occasion that he was three leagues away before his troops realised he had abandoned them. Indeed, by the spring of 1215, it has been estimated that of England’s 197 baronies only 39 were in active opposition to the king, with perhaps the same number acting in his support. Ironically, the very fact that John faced rebellion in 1215 is itself indicative of the fact that his government had bite as well as bark. John’s alleged lasciviousness and acts of cruelty have been presented as further character traits that antagonised the barons and thus prevented him from delivering strong kingship. His cruelty was almost unheard of. You will shortly receive a receipt for your purchase via email. Yet, says historian Marc Morris, when it came to lechery, treachery and shocking acts of cruelty, the king who sealed Magna Carta more than 800 years ago was in a league of his own... For most people (and here I include myself) mention of the name ‘King John’ conjures up images of the character from the tales of Robin Hood – a pantomime villain, rolling his eyes and gnashing his teeth. Lusting after the wives and daughters of those men he relied upon to deliver the royal command was no doubt a problem in a world where private relationships were the stuff of high politics. Pupils then use cards to identify evidence that John was good and bad. During his reign he had victories against the Welsh and the Scots. They also complained that he forced himself on the wives and daughters of his barons. Whether by summoning great councils or later parliaments, successful medieval rulers took steps to consult their more important subjects, noting their views, winning them round and channelling their ambitions. Was King John bad? In fact, they are better understood as tight-knuckled, low browed feudal reactionaries kicking against John’s increasingly efficacious administration. This article was first published in the June 2015 issue of BBC History Magazine, Save a huge 50% off a subscription to your favourite history magazine. Indeed, so extreme was this impact that it is not beyond sensible contemplation that the ambition of the rebel barons was not to obtain a lasting peace, but instead absolutely to provoke John to break the newly agreed terms so that they could seize his largesse. To begin with, John was exceptionally cruel. As a result, many modern day historians consider him a bad king. King John's Christmas. This was the cause of his death which took place at Newark. In this context, to argue that John was anything other than ‘Bad’ seems inappropriate and somewhat unbelievable. John’s brother Richard the Lionheart had reportedly starved a man to death, but this appears to have been an isolated incident. For most of his life, John remained loyal to his father when all his brothers … Those who go in search of the real John therefore tend to suppose that he must have been unfairly maligned, and suspect that in reality he was not nearly as bad as legend maintains. The ever-growing extent to which Magna Carta is celebrated and elevated necessarily means that, in equal and opposite degree, the reputation of John is tarnished and diminished. He has recently released ‘King John’, an app version of the book available on iPad. Moreover, even though chronicle sources allege that the whole of the baronage was united against John, this was clearly not the case – not least because there would have been no possibility of civil war if there had not been two sides, each with the wherewithal to resist the other. Listen to Professor Nicholas Vincent discuss the life and reign of the infamous 13th-century monarch King John: But Arthur was only the most famous of John’s victims. King John gets a bad rap. It is a commonplace defence of John, still advanced in school textbooks, that contemporary opinion of him is not to be trusted, because all chroniclers were churchmen, who were biased against the king because he had attacked the church. Another author, known as the Anonymous of Béthune, is also likely to have been a layman, since his chronicle dwells upon the concerns of a lay audience, and was written for an aristocratic patron, Robert of Béthune. King John then was definitely, as the old history books would put it, not just a bad king but a very bad king. Any reasonable assessment of the sources must lead us to conclude that in the case of Bad King John, tradition had it about right. "There are several times during John's reign where he actually has the … Robert was a Flemish nobleman who fought on John’s side in the final years of his reign, and was well rewarded as a result. Contemporaries also regarded him as treacherous, remembering in particular his attempt to seize the throne for himself while his brother Richard was in captivity. These are powerful words, and it follows that if John ignored Magna Carta – which he did – then it must surely be the case that he was indeed malign. Basically he was "a crap King " ! Marc Morris is a historian and broadcaster whose books include King John: Treachery, Tyranny and the Road to Magna Carta (Windmill Books, 2016) and A Great and Terrible King: Edward I and the Forging of Britain (Windmill, 2009), The highest standards of conduct were expected of Plantagenet rulers. On several occasions he prosecuted successful sieges. His reign was not the most righteous reign, as many citizens thought that he was a disbeliever, then other people thought he was a wasted more money than ever before. Everything you ever wanted to know about... 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A considerable body of evidence in the form of pipe rolls, charters and letters patent indicates strongly that John was highly effective – perhaps too effective – in mobilizing the resources of his kingdom and in imposing the royal will upon the population at large. For most of his reign John was at war with the king of France, Philip Augustus, and he did not hesitate to invade Scotland, Wales and Ireland when he felt that the rulers of those lands had crossed him. His marriage to Isabella of Angouleme when she was unlikely to have been more than 15 and quite possibly as young as nine has prompted a flood of accusations that John was a 13th-century Humbert Humbert. Even John’s much-criticised twin-pronged invasion of France in 1214 (which culminated in the disastrous battle of Bouvines on 27 July 1214) achieved its basic aim of dividing the Capetian forces. HistoryExtra article – Why ‘Bad King John’ was actually good. John repeatedly broke this taboo. 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